Dinner With HooBoy

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

Oooooooooh!

 

You got up grumpy today. I'm sure this will bring Sean out to play!

[Guest sexpertise]

You don't have to be grumpy to point out the facts. (Facts speak for themselves, and they don't have moods.) Anyway, I ain't worried: I do all my serious listening with headphones.

[HooBoy]

Oh Good Grief,

 

I did NOT beg Sean to have dinner with me, I invited him in a most disgusting manner, he was gracious to accept and it was my idea to pay for the dinner.

 

As far as my assesment of Sean being classy - give us all a break. He used his forks correctly and he was interesting.

 

Obviously, my opinion means nothing to you. So next time, you pick up the tab and you can offer your own assesment. Otherwise, you have no right to say anything because you weren't there, you've never met the individual, you've never met me and you're just annoying me.

 

I'm going to leave this thread up for a few more hours just so people can see how ridiculous it's become and I'm yanking it...something I think you could use as well. :-)

 

 

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Traveller]

HooBoy, Yanking, porking, it's all the same. I gave him the same advice on another thread. Sex=fun. NOT SERIOUSNESS AND EARNESTNESS. Lighten up guys. IT'S JUST SEX.

[Guest sexpertise]

Hooboy, my friend,

 

1) I wouldn't know (nor would I care) if you begged Sean to have dinner with you. I was referring to your frequent poormouthing about the expense of running this site & soliciting help for same, while constrasting it with Sean's compulsively 'upscale' pretensions.

 

2) You're perfectly entitled to your own notion of what's classy--just as (I assume) I'm entitled to mine. In that sense your opinion is, in fact, of great interest to me. It speaks volumes about YOUR classiness after all.

 

3) The only thing I'm 'assessing' is what you two felt obliged to tell us about your social life--despite its irrelevance here.

 

4) While I agree the thread is ridiculous, I suggest you leave it up as an example of what not to post about.

 

5) I expect that if you yank everything (and everyone) who 'annoys' you here, this message board will get even duller than it's become already.

[Guest sexpertise]

Right you are, Traveller--sex=fun. Trouble is, neither thread is about sex at all.

[Guest Newbie]

H-e-e-e's BACK!

 

Well, Jake, you got your wish, I think! That posting could only have come from one keyboard I know...

[Guest Sean]

RE: H-e-e-e's BACK!

 

LAST EDITED ON Jun-16-00 AT 01:39PM (EST)[p]Hmmmm Skeptic, Sexpertise, or shall we call you Sybil? This is the lounge dear where anyone can discuss anything. I suggest that if you don't like what you see in a thread move on to the next one. Good morning to the rest of you

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

sexpertise,

 

Chill guy.

 

You are expending a log of energy railing against what started out to be just a light hearted exchange, and I fear, you are pushing a few noses out of joint -- all to what end. As your first post said “Is this what things have come to around here--chatroom transcripts?” That was pretty close to the truth -- but no harm was done, I think. No bandwith was squandered, depriving other more deserving threads their due -- just a slow day and a little fun was had. It may not be your cup of tea but no one strapped you in, sewed your eyelids open, and spoon fed this thread to you. It seems to me that you have been dining excessively, for your taste, at this table of irrelevant, ridiculous fare. If it’s not the food, is it the company? (I know I’m setting myself and others up here --let me apologize to the others -- but have at it.)

 

What Sean and HooBoy wish to share about their experience on the message board is their decision, no one is compelled to attend and participate. And, pardon me for saying, but if you responded in this manner in someone’s home I would consider your behavior very rude. I don’t think different standards should apply here.

 

I am sorry that this light hearted, yes even frivolous, thread has taken such a toll on what I am sure is your otherwise good-natured spirit. I really must chalk this up to your just having a bad day.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

RE: H-e-e-e's BACK!

 

LAST EDITED ON Jun-16-00 AT 02:23PM (EST)[p]All in all, more temperate than I anticipated. You are coming along! Or maybe your not quite the hard-case I originally assessed.

[Guest Jake]

Could it be .... ? Is it ....? OMG, if it's really HIM ....WelCUM back babe!

[Guest Insider]

Steady, Jake. I don't think it's You-Know-Who after all, or he would have come right back at the Yank with rapier drawn. And I must say, as even-tempered as Yank was in answering Sexpertise, I don't think either he or Hooboy really addressed what he'd been commenting on.

 

His first remark (about 'chatroom transcripts') was justified, as even Yank himself graciously conceded. But he didn't belabor the point, and was silent until Hooboy suddenly started adding to the gush and Sean kept up with his oddly repellent little asides. (Why is this guy so hyperactive these days anyway? In your face one minute, noisily 'matey' the next, & somehow abrasive throughout...)

 

Then, Yank, just re-read, if you please, Hooboy's completely off-point 'reply' to Sexpertise's post--every bit of which was true and totally supportive of his implicit claim that the whole thread was idiotic--just a lot of self-aggrandizing posturings from the dinner duo. Not only did H's attack on S pile irrelevancies atop non-sequiturs, it also brought out that increasingly frequent & unnerving strain in him--the petulant, self-pitying threats about yanking things & pulling the plug, etc.

 

Which brings me to another important point, Yank. I don't consider this Hooboy's 'home' (and sacrosanct as such) just because he's paying the bills to keep the site up. You heard me right: I don't think of it as his home.

 

Because, adopting your own 'nobody's forcing you' approach, I'd like you to ponder the fact that if he's going through all the travails we've been hearing about from the get-go (and there have been many) it's because he has CHOSEN to. Whatever his reasons (and I wouldn't bet that they're all or even mainly altruistic), it's HIS decision to maintain & pay for male4malescorts. HOWEVER, the site's real substance & value comes from the INFORMATIVE interchange among escorts clients, and (if they choose to join in), the escorts themselves. You, me, Jake (and yes, even Sean) are what make people bother dropping by here everyday.

 

In other words, if Hooboy is talking nonsense (as we all do from time to time here) he shouldn't be any more immune from criticism (however scalpel-like) than anyone else who posts. We can, and should, be grateful that he keeps the site going (for whatever reason) without treating him like a sacred cow.

 

Finally, calling private chitchat and virtual flirting 'lighthearted' doesn't make it any more appropriate to post here than a Napster roundtable; and exhortations to 'chill' and 'lighten up' are not grown-up answers to valid criticism. And to pretend that someone who offers some must have gotten up on the wrong side of the bed simply leaves his remarks unchallenged and, needless to say, unrebutted.

 

Be that as it may, I do commend you for NOT flaming out (as many others would) and for maintaining a spirit of camaraderie & good humor that sometimes seem in short supply around here.

[Guest Sean]

The Lounge

Topics of general interest or discussion about things that are on your mind.

 

Whatever they may be. If you are not interested in a certain thread move on to the next. Its a simple process.

[HooBoy]

>Then, Yank, just re-read, if you

>please, Hooboy's completely off-point

>'reply' to Sexpertise's post--every bit

>of which was true and

>totally supportive of his implicit

>claim that the whole thread

>was idiotic--just a lot of

>self-aggrandizing posturings from the dinner

>duo. Not only did

>H's attack on S pile

>irrelevancies atop non-sequiturs, it also

>brought out that increasingly frequent

>& unnerving strain in him--the

>petulant, self-pitying threats about yanking

>things & pulling the plug,

>etc.

 

I mis-read the post. It was something about begging strangers for money and then paying the tab.

 

I am a capitalist pig. I eventually want to make money off this site. At this point in time, I am in the red. Fortunately, I have a job and I can lose money for awhile. The few people who have contributed are greatly appreciated. So my response was way off base. However, there is nothing wrong with me asking for help with this site and still enjoying a good life. What, you want me to post the reviews under a freeway underpass?

 

As you can see, I have not pulled this thread. Look at the time stamps on when the different posts were made. You might learn something from that.

 

>Which brings me to another important

>point, Yank. I don't consider

>this Hooboy's 'home' (and sacrosanct

>as such) just because he's

>paying the bills to keep

>the site up. You heard

>me right: I don't

>think of it as his

>home.

 

Important point? This is important? This is not important. This is not my home. I edit what people send me. I spend money verifying reviews. I spend money on software. I spend money on hardware. I spend money trying to keep this site up. I spend hours working on it and time is money.

 

No, it's not my home. It's something I usually enjoy doing. But important? Go elsewhere for importance.

 

>Because, adopting your own 'nobody's forcing

>you' approach, I'd like you

>to ponder the fact that

>if he's going through all

>the travails we've been hearing

>about from the get-go (and

>there have been many) it's

>because he has CHOSEN to.

> Whatever his reasons (and

>I wouldn't bet that they're

>all or even mainly altruistic)

 

They are ALL altruistic. I plan on making money off of this site. I have never hidden that fact. I am looking for investors, partners and advertisers because I think there is a need for a site such as this if nothing else to keep ME from getting ripped off again. But I am also working at protecting people like YOU from getting ripped off, too and if you haven't contributed a cent, yet you have saved $250.00 because of something you learned here and have the audacity to come here and critisize, then YOU are the one that is a self-serving troll.

 

>In other words, if Hooboy is

>talking nonsense (as we all

>do from time to time

>here) he shouldn't be any

>more immune from criticism (however

>scalpel-like) than anyone else who

>posts.

 

I get beat up everyday. I do not publish all the crap that comes in every day.

 

>I do commend you for NOT

>flaming out (as many others

>would) and for maintaining a

>spirit of camaraderie & good

>humor that sometimes seem in

>short supply around here.

 

Sir: I think good humor is everywhere here. It is you that is showing a lack of it in your post.

 

Now, did you hear the joke about the nasty old man who kept changing his handle but didn't realize that the Webmaster had his IP addresses?

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[Guest red]

Insider is absolutely correct that the substance and value of this site comes from the interchange of client opinions about the escorts. He seems stunningly oblivious to the fact, however, that until Hooboy started the M4M site, there was no practical means of exchanging this information. The Atkol thread ended, inter alia, because nattering "reviewers" complained constantly about various aspects of the site, and unhappy escorts threatened libel suits. It wasn't worth the hassle for Atkol to continue. All other escort forums (fora?) have been short-lived, poorly attended and sometimes pay-per-view. Hooboy was the only person willing to pick up the slack and create a generally credible place where clients' opinions can be shared for our mutual benefit. He has also willingly changed formats in response to criticism, and mightily labored to double-check reviews to make sure they are fair and accurate. Obviously, Hooboy derives some pleasure out of these labors or he wouldn't do them. But that doesn't alter the fact that he is providing a welcome service to me and many others. If he wants to dither, pontificate or muse in the "lounge" section, that's fine with me. He has the same right to do this as anyone else; I don't have to read this "general interest" section if I don't want to. I assume that "Insider" is truly an insider when it comes to knowing the merits and demerits of escorts, so he doesn't really require this site. The rest of us may not be so lucky or knowledgeable and depend upon the local reviews and "deli" messages to help us decide which escorts best suit our needs. My libido and I are willing to forgive Hooboy any of his actual or imagined transgressions because of his creation and daily maintenance of this site. Takk, Danke, merci, Hooboy.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-00 AT 04:47AM (EST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-00 AT 04:43 AM (EST)

 

Insider,

 

I hoped that the turmoil surrounding this 'light-hearted' thread would begin to subside but I see the time is not yet ripe -- maybe after one more round. Your message seems to be addressed primarily to me (by paragraph count and name count) and it seems so well considered that I felt you were due a reply.

 

First, I wonder if we all are reading the same thread? I just don't see the egregious comments that warrant such high criticism as has been claimed to be leveled against it. Where are these comments and where is the real biting criticism -- I cannot really find either, although criticism has been alluded to by you, maybe sexpertise and others?

 

Let's review the record -- Although Sean instigated the thread, a harmless enough lead-off message I thought, he hasn't really been much of a player, except for the give and take with HooBoy (dinner bills and tips etc.) and an isolated quip here and there, all of which you referred to as " his oddly repellent little asides". That doesn't mean he might not be the major irritant in this circumstance, just that he is not a major active player and really did not go out of his way to be an irritant. (I do believe this is a case of 'shoot the messenger'.)

 

That leaves HooBoy, sexpertise, and yours truly. as the other major players in your analysis -- we'll concentrate on them. Also, we'll address your points paragraph by paragraph.

 

 

>Steady, Jake. I don't think

>it's You-Know-Who after all, or

>he would have come right

>back at the Yank with

>rapier drawn. And I

>must say, as even-tempered as

>Yank was in answering Sexpertise,

>I don't think either he

>or Hooboy really addressed what

>he'd been commenting on.

>

 

 

Let's look at sexpertise's comments to see what we failed to address-- the next paragraph addresses the first one.

 

>His first remark (about 'chatroom transcripts')

>was justified, as even Yank

>himself graciously conceded.

>But he didn't belabor the

>point, and was silent until

>Hooboy suddenly started adding to

>the gush and Sean kept

>up with his oddly repellent

>little asides. (Why is this

>guy so hyperactive these days

>anyway? In your face

>one minute, noisily 'matey' the

>next, & somehow abrasive throughout...)

>

--------------------------------

sexpertise

Jun-15-00, 05:49 PM (EST)

17. "RE: Dinner With HooBoy"

Is this what things have come to around here--chatroom transcripts?

--------------------------------

I did not comment on this originally because it was pretty obvious that we were having a 'chatty' repartee', so why comment on the obvious which had already been explicitly stated once.

 

Now for HooBoy's gushing remark see message 21 by HooBoy : Jun-16-00, 01:11 AM (EST). I won't reproduce it here due to its length but it is the message that sexpertise responds to in his next missive. Gushing? Well, it must be in the eye of the beholder. I guess I just don't go out of my way to categorize benign comments. Anyway, I dare say that HooBoy is perfectly capable of defending his honor if he feels the need arise.

--------------------------------

sexpertise

24. "RE: Dinner With HooBoy"

 

So someone who has 'homes' in NYC and LA (and all over the World, it seems), someone who claims to fly only first-class (and says yech to the mere thought of going steerage with lesser mortals), someone who spouts mangled French in a pathetic try at looking cosmopolite--this someone lets a dinner companion who is reduced to begging strangers for money pick up the check?

 

While I'll reserve judgment on this guy's looks (at least on the basis of the photos

provided), I already have pretty definite ideas on just how 'classy' he is.

--------------------------------

 

This is criticism? Not where I come from, its called argumentum-ad-hominum, purely cheap shots at the people (even if Sean may have supplied the ammo). If you see legitimate criticism here please lend me your glasses, if you wear them or -- I'll have a glass of whatever your drinking.

 

My response to this so-called criticism --

 

--------------------------------

Tampa Yankee

Jun-16-00, 08:21 AM (EST)

25. "RE: Dinner With HooBoy"

Oooooooooh!

 

You got up grumpy today. I'm sure this will bring Sean out to play!

--------------------------------

 

and sexpertise's response to mine --

--------------------------------

 

sexpertise

Jun-16-00, 08:43 AM (EST)

26. "RE: Dinner With HooBoy"

 

You don't have to be grumpy to point out the facts. (Facts speak for themselves, and

they don't have moods.) Anyway, I ain't worried: I do all my serious listening with

headphones.

--------------------------------

 

Facts? I don't see much in the way of facts in sexpertise's diatribe against Sean rather I see judgments, and a back of the hand to HooBoy for good measure. (Sean you really should not hand out the ammo.) If you see facts, other than HooBoy picked up Sean's dinner, please inform me of them. Is that what was criticized -- that HooBoy bought the dinner?

 

I did enjoy the comment about the head phones, at least sexpertise has a sense of humor.

 

Next Hooboy makes "a completely off-point reply" to sexpertise in HooBoy's message 27 Jun-16-00, 08:48 AM (EST) see above in thread list. My take is that HooBoy was irked at the cheap shot from sexpertise and let it show.

 

>

>Then, Yank, just re-read, if you

>please, Hooboy's completely off-point

>'reply' to Sexpertise's post--every bit

>of which was true and

>totally supportive of his implicit

>claim that the whole thread

>was idiotic--just a lot of

>self-aggrandizing posturings from the dinner

>duo. Not only did

>H's attack on S pile

>irrelevancies atop non-sequiturs, it also

>brought out that increasingly frequent

>& unnerving strain in him--the

>petulant, self-pitying threats about yanking

>things & pulling the plug,

>etc.

>

 

Starting with HooBoy's off-point reply, as I see it -- HooBoy replied more to the tone of the comment than the personal comments directed at he and Sean and attempted to elaborate on how he and Sean came to have dinner and how it was that HooBoy picked up the bill. (Not an unreasonable approach to ignore the turds being thrown your way -- some might say gracious response under fire. I guess others say ignoring criticism.) As for the completely off-point response, what did you want: a discussion of whether Sean really owned houses everywhere in the world or if he really flies first-class only...

 

And then your assertion "every bit if which was true and totally supportive of his implicit claim that the whole thread was idiotic..." Every bit of the cheap shots is true or just the chat script or both? Come on now, this assertion does not become you. You, sexpertise and many others may not like Sean but I don't think these boards are hear just to trash people we don't like or think arrogant and then take other people to task because they don't voice agreement or even acknowledge the cheap shot. If we take someone to task personally it ought to be for something they have done, not for their personality. I wont go into the 'implicit claim' although I find the concept odd.

 

Quoting you again "Then, Yank, just re-read, if you please, Hooboy's completely off-point 'reply"

 

 

I believe that if you compare my response you refer to (see message 33 to sexpertise from Tampa Yankee Jun-16-00, 01:59 PM (EST) ) to HooBoy's message 27 which I believe you refer to I don't see anything that I reread of HooBoy's. As far as I can tell the messages have almost nothing in common. Please point out the gross similarities I have overlooked.

 

>Which brings me to another important

>point, Yank. I don't consider

>this Hooboy's 'home' (and sacrosanct

>as such) just because he's

>paying the bills to keep

>the site up. You heard

>me right: I don't

>think of it as his

>home.

 

Well, you'll be glad to know that I am in 100% agreement with you on this one. I believe that you entirely misinterpreted my comment:

 

"And, pardon me for saying, but if you responded in this manner in someone’s home I would consider your behavior very rude. I don’t think different standards should apply here. "

 

I did not mean to imply that this was anyone's home, even HooBoy's, as I think could be inferred from the second sentence. Even so, I would have taken pains to avoid the confusion had I anticipated it. Having said that, I am very grateful to HooBoy for running and supporting the site.

 

>

>Because, adopting your own 'nobody's forcing

>you' approach, I'd like you

>to ponder the fact that

>if he's going through all

>the travails we've been hearing

>about from the get-go (and

>there have been many) it's

>because he has CHOSEN to.

> Whatever his reasons (and

>I wouldn't bet that they're

>all or even mainly altruistic),

>it's HIS decision to maintain

>& pay for male4malescorts.

>HOWEVER, the site's real substance

>& value comes from the

>INFORMATIVE interchange among escorts clients,

>and (if they choose to

>join in), the escorts themselves.

> You, me, Jake (and

>yes, even Sean) are what

>make people bother dropping by

>here everyday.

>

 

I suspect HooBoy will respond to this himself -- I don't speak for him, never met the man, unlike Sean, probably never will after all this hubbub -- he'll probably pull a Howard Hughes.

 

 

>In other words, if Hooboy is

>talking nonsense (as we all

>do from time to time

>here) he shouldn't be any

>more immune from criticism (however

>scalpel-like) than anyone else who

>posts. We can, and

>should, be grateful that he

>keeps the site going (for

>whatever reason) without treating him

>like a sacred cow.

>

 

Someone, please point out to me where HooBoy is talking nonsense in this thread -- please!! I just don't see it.

 

 

>Finally, calling private chitchat and virtual

>flirting 'lighthearted' doesn't make it

>any more appropriate to post

>here than a Napster roundtable;

>and exhortations to 'chill' and

>'lighten up' are not grown-up

>answers to valid criticism.

>And to pretend that someone

>who offers some must have

>gotten up on the wrong

>side of the bed simply

>leaves his remarks unchallenged and,

>needless to say, unrebutted.

>

 

It is clear that this thread, while not the most substantial topic, does fall under the guidelines for inclusion in the Lounge -- Topics of general interest or discussion about things that are on your mind. So your use of you word 'appropriate' must have a special meaning -- please inform me so that I know next time.

 

You are right, exhortations to 'chill' and 'lighten up', the latter phrase not mine by the way, are not grown-up answers to valid criticism -- but there was no legitimate criticism only personal attacks; oh and the comment about buying dinner. Sexpertise's comment indicated to me that he must be grumpy and it still does. I wonder if it is catching? Yes, I left the cheap shots unchallenged and if you say so unrebutted. I guess you are urging that I should have called him on them right there at the time -- you are probably right, but I really didn't think we needed a heavy confrontation on such light-hearted thread. Boy did I miscall that one.

 

 

>Be that as it may, I

>do commend you for NOT

>flaming out (as many others

>would) and for maintaining a

>spirit of camaraderie & good

>humor that sometimes seem in

>short supply around here.

>

Thanks. I hope I haven't lost it here.

 

One last thought -- I think I now know how mountains are made.

[Guest Sean]

Is it me or is this asshole Sybil starting to sound like what's his face from Silence of the Lambs? Talk about YAWN! I'm off to bed boys, its been a long Friday. Sweet dreams.

[Guest Jake]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-17-00 AT 08:07AM (EST)[p]Someone has way too much time on his hands. Have you considered whittling?

 

Whether it's sexpertise, insider, whatever ... he's always on point, way above the quality of most posters (certainly I don't even come close to his league) and is consistently thought provoking. If I sound like I'm gushing, it's true - I've become a skeptimaniac.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

The same thought has occurred to me, also.

 

The previous post was carved out of last nights sleep budget. I don't think I want to take up whitlling in place of sleep -- I reserve that for escorts as my budget allows.

 

Maybe this one has been put to bed.

[Guest NYCMuscBoy]

Wow, all of you have TOO MUCH TIME on your hands.

[HooBoy]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-08-00 AT 10:04PM (EST)[p]>Omigosh - it's late and

>I'm just getting to this

>Message Center!

>

>I didn't think it would go

>public.

>

>Sean was a very classy and

>handsome gentleman. I invited

>him simply because we have

>exchanged a lot of email

>on many issues and even

>had yelling matches with each

>other on the phone, I

>felt I knew him.

>Plus, I was too tired

>and tipsy to hire him.

>I wasn't in the mood.

>

>

>I was delighted he accepted the

>invitation to dine.

>

>(And I suspect a good escort

>always tells the client that

>he looks younger than he

>actually is, but I won't

>argue the issue.)

>

>I did hide my speakers, just

>in case. ;-)

>

>

>HooBoy

>Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

 

Mr. Will,

 

Does this actually sound like a "big deal out of meeting Sean?" And where is the "gratuitous praise" that you found so "odd?"

 

I'd rather be watching "Frasier."

 

Please get your facts straight before you put words in my mouth.

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com

[HooBoy]

LAST EDITED ON Aug-09-00 AT 09:31PM (EST)[p]For the record..

 

HooBoy

Email: HooBoy@male4malescorts.com