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I was in NYC this past weekend and enjoyed the Gaiety, Stella's and took a jaunt up to the Townhouse bar on 58th. I thought it was way cool, a LOT of men around my age (late 40's). I attempted twice to start conversation with two different men, and I was received VERY cooly. I just wanted to talk, but they seemed to have no interest--very unfriendly. I was so disappointed and was therefore a bit intimidated to try conversation again. I am not unattractive, 5'9"/175 lbs--and a nice guy!!! I just wanted to chat! I will give it another try I guess---it was very crowded/sometimes guys are less apt to talk when there is so much to look at.Thanks for listening!

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I'm a little confused about your posting. Even so, whatever the context of the experience reported, I'm ashamed (as a New Yorker) to read yet another apparent example of our great city's reputation as an unfriendly place. And I'm sorry to hear you were frosted that way.

 

But what actually happened? Judging from your chosen ID & the fact that you're posting here, I assume you'd started your evening by 'shopping' the Gaiety & Stella's for some agreeable professional companionship. Were you, as implied in your post, doing the same when you got to the Towne House?

 

If you happened to have read the thread devoted to 'NY Hustler Bars' (here or in the Deli, can't remember which), you'd have known that several of us NYC guys (Skeptic and others) dismissed the TH as a place for picking up 'working boys' - except for the ones looking to be kept by a gentleman of means. (For more details, please read, or re-read, that thread.)

 

All of which leads to my question: in trying to chat up the two guys who received you so coolly, were you approaching two other johns, or did you perceive them to be hustlers? (Sorry for this crude dichotomy--I'm using it just to keep everything perfectly clear!) It's very hard to tell from your narrative, since you'd just said you'd found the TH ambiance agreeable because so many of the patrons were in your age group (late 40s); then, later on, you made a point of saying that you weren't such a bad-looking guy yourself.

 

Bottom line, then: did you feel (unfairly) rejected by a hustler with whom you might have wanted to engage, or by two other guys much like yourself who weren't interested in chitchat?

 

If it's the former, I can only say that TH isn't an escort bar in the first place; if it's the latter, you may just have hit upon two guys who thought you were trying to pick them up, and just weren't interested. But of course that doesn't give them the right to be rude to a stranger who addresses a friendly word to them. And, as I said before, it pains me to think that non-New Yorkers imagine that we're typically rude in just that way.

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The Townhouse is widely known as a place to meet younger escorts. Aaron Lawrence writes about it in his book and many of the gay guides classify it as a hustler bar. I was there about 6 months ago and met a very attractive young actor of Greek extraction -- we had a wonderful night together.

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Well, if it's indeed widely known as a hustler bar, I stand corrected. I don't consult guides in these matters (I live here), though to tell the truth, it's been a good long time since I was last there--nearly two years. And yes, even then, there were some twinks on the make (not exactly the butchest guys I'd ever seen) but somehow that doesn't make a 'hustler' bar atmosphere for me--at least not the sort remembered from Rounds and now, in raunchier form, found at Stella's. I certainly never saw anyone as potentially sexy as a young Greek actor available for ready money. But apparantly times have changed.

 

Re Aaron Lawrence's take on the TH, as I recall, it was pretty thoroughly demolished by a poster who joined in during the first go-around of this topic. But AL stood his ground with customary good cheer. Whatever, I'm going to check it out again by the end of the month.

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Well Folks, I've been to the Town House A LOT. Certainly not what I think of as a hustler bar (Cats? Stellas? YA!) but more good looking mature guys, old guys twinks looking for sugar grand daddies and the occasional hustler. Not to say there isn't a steady supplyu of them there, but certainly not the norm.

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