Dave

We're fine. I can say with confidence now, we've "weathered the storm" with regards to Covid. Everything To Sea canceled most of our trips in 2020, but we were Covid-careful and successfully ran a few, too. Some trips were group departures, and some trips were our own branded Your Private Journey - where it's just a single traveler with my partner Max (he's my business partner, and close friend - not my partner partner). For 2021, we started up again in April, and have group departures running up until November. We currently have our calendar available for bookings up to the end of 2022. Our trips are clothing-optional. We welcome men of all ages, sizes, races, nationalities, and orientations. It's not unusual to find guys in their 30s or 50s or 70s on our trips. I think our oldest clients have been in their 80s... who cares? Men are interesting, regardless of age! Some trips have sexual vibes, others are all about nudism, others are more about guys connecting. Conversations have been all over the map. What makes a trip go one way or the other is the combo of men who are on them. Most trips are a blend of nakedness, sensual vibes, connectedness, and relaxation. Max and I are on most of the trips, we really love running them. Everything To Sea has been written about by several well-known gay travel bloggers including Two Bad Tourists (the link given earlier in this thread). We're escort/client-friendly; we've also had several escorts come on our trips with clients. Check out our video, read our blog, sign up for our newsletter, or just hop around our website. I think you'll get a pretty good idea of what we're doing out there. If you have any questions, you can always email me directly (there, not here, I'm not regularly on the forum) at Dave@EverythingToSea.com Thanks for mentioning us, Archer!

I understand how hard it is to get to truth. And understandably, many Balinese don't really know the details of foreigners getting in, as immigration is not something they directly work with... Here are the facts. The reason I can state them with certainty, is that my all-male naked sailing company Everything To Sea is working directly with this stuff: Australia's borders are closed. So yes, it is very hard for people from Oz to get out - anywhere. Although I think there are plans - and not sure yet if implemented - for a travel bubble between NZ and AUS. Bali (and all of Indonesia) is open for tourism. Domestic tourism, yes - and actively encouraged. International tourism, not directly - although international visitors can come to the country on a sponsored visa. It costs a couple hundred dollars (not free, like in pre-covid days), but the traveler can be in the country for 60 days - and it's relatively cheap and easy to extend it, up to 6 months. We have already brought guys in with this visa, for our trips running this past September and October, and now November too. I hope that helps. WesternSyd, I'm sorry you've had to cancel your plans twice. You can reach out to me directly when Oz opens up - maybe there's some way I can help you get back into the Island of the Gods...

Hi WesternSyd, good to see you're still active on the forum! I'm gonna guess you're in Sydney now. As you may recall, I live in Bali - and cannot agree with what you wrote. Unfortunately, there is a lot of negative press in Oz about COVID in Bali - and has been since the start of the pandemic. Rates here are not "very high". They're not even close to being "high", in comparison with so many places in the world. There are less than 10,000 COVID cases in Bali, and the island has over 4 million people. Now, within Indonesia, the COVID rates have been and continue to be high in Jakarta (about 85,000 cases) - but that is 1200km from Bali. Cheers -

hey guys... about hong kong... I will be there for two days (sept 27-28) and am available for appointments. if interested, please pm me. thanks, Dave

hey guys... I see there is interest for hong kong. although I can't contribute any info on spas there, I will be there for two days (sept 27-28) and am available for appointments. if interested please pm me. thanks, Dave

Thanks, davebk. HAHA, marylander1940. Hi Forum! Yep, I have a new project. It’s all about fun, freedom, and guys. And, it’s clothing-optional. Check out my thread “Opening our Doors to the Male Public - Everywhere on the Planet” in the Lounge for a description and news about our first launch. Thanks! xxx, Dave

true, snogaholic. the world can't have too many skilled Tops...

when the hell did you come back to the party!!!??? HIIIIIIIIII, LEEEEEE!!!!!!! woops - ne'ermind - i just realized he wrote that in 2011. my bad - following an old thread. sorry guys! he is missed though - did some amazing work for Daddy's Reviews and Forum posts. Teaching people and being a role model for personal growth here, and - oh my... that cock of his...

hahaha!

Someone just asked me about how to do this... To save $500 off the July trip, you'd need to enter the Coupon Code LAUNCH500 at time of booking. This is a special reduction I'm offering to readers and friends of the Message Forum. The discount will automatically be applied.

Holy cow, this is helpful. Thank you, Danny, for sharing! Like most escorts, sometimes I'll suddenly realize a client had used before our appointment. This guide will be particularly useful to me for those situations. Come to Bali sometime, Danny - we can hang out on a beach and read the guide together, haha. Bali's a place where drugs are not only illegal but highly punishable (even death sentence for trafficking), homosexuality's NOT illegal, and healthy living and eating is easy to do

If you know me, it’s probably from my work worldwide, as a professional escort. Perhaps you also know me as a teacher of the erotic and kinky, from my work at sex conferences, fetish events, and universities. But very few of you know - until now - about my newest project: Everything To Sea. Clothing-optional trips around exotic islands, sailing on a traditional wooden boat called a Pinisi. All with other open-minded, accepting, adventurous guys... and a really fun crew. The idea of men naked on a ship certainly isn’t new. Guys have been taking their clothes off on boats for, well, thousands of years. And sometimes, they’re organized departures. But I wanted to create trips that were better than any other ones out there. The idea took shape: Connected, friendly small-group experiences. Between the travelers, crew, and staff, there’d be about 16 men on board. Free of judgment or attitude. A voyage that’d be comfortable, calm, and truly relaxed. Guys hanging out together, having the time of their lives. An affordable price, to include food and drink (yep, alcohol too), plus massages, body-shaving services, snorkeling, the services of a skilled captain and his mates, and more. The idea being, you’d come on the trip - and not think about using money - day after day after day. A sailing trip where the crew sails and the travelers kick back. Mostly enjoying nature and the vibe on the boat, and stopping at some places of interest, experiencing a few choice sites. A voyage where nudity is optional, and the only obligation is to do whatever you want, whenever you feel like it. The picture became clear. I bounced it off multiple friends - and everyone was keen. Two months after sharing the concept with a close friend of mine, he got in touch with me, saying he couldn’t stop thinking about it. He was sure: he wanted to join this venture. Discussions ensued, and Max became my business partner. Originally from Germany, he’s skilled with a solid background in boats. He’s also sexy, and funny, and a great conversationalist - but that just meant honing the idea hardly felt like work. Slowly, we built up an efficient team of the best talent we could find. We’re now ten men, originally from six different countries on four different continents, working together as smoothly as our Pinisi cruises in the tropical waters. Our mindblowing voyage is in the Flores Sea, where we sail to breathtaking islands like Komodo, Manjarite, Siaba, and Padar. We’ve got 7 day trips and 4 day trips, along with add-ons in Bali and other spots within the archipelago. And so we welcome you, to what we’re especially proud of: “Everything To Sea.” As Forum readers, this post can get you on board and save you real bucks. 500 of ‘em, in fact - off the "Introductory Launch" July trip. Other great offers are also available, by joining our newsletter. Please, guys... visit our website at EverythingToSea.com. If you like what you see, we’d absolutely love it if you’ll join us. The Future Is Naked. xxx, Dave PS. Did you ever want to take an Escort along on an international journey? This is a great opportunity to do so... I’ve even created a special “Bring an Escort Along” price for two. Please PM me for details...

thanks, Smurof - I was actually hoping that someone who hires might find what I wrote helpful - so as not to waste other working guys' time.

I was in europe a few months ago, and after traveling with a client, spent a couple weeks touring. beforehand, I had zurich suggested to me by a member of the forum as a "good place to work because so many people hire there" (or some such sentiment). but like you, when advertising, I also saw the RM warning and decided to skip the city. one rarely sees that sort of statement from RM, and I didn't want to be nervous and feel like I was averting a set up with each zurich lead / appointment. being set up once was enough for me.

Although I don’t post often here, those of you who know me, know that I’m very committed to this industry - trying to make it better for both esccrts and clients alike. I believe that hiring, if consensual and done right - with integrity, and quality, and respect - on the parts of both parties involved - can enhance a society. Conversely, if done without regard to one of the parties (esccrt or client), it’s simply selfish and rude. With that in mind, I am posting the following... it’s long and involves several messages exchanged - and it starts with one I sent someone recently. My hope is that I can help other esccrts who aim to spend their time providing esccrt experiences, and not dealing with time-wasters. I also hope that this post might help clients understand how working guys actually work, with regards to setting up appointments. Since our society doesn’t encourage men or women to hire, many clients and would-be clients are in the dark about doing so, and perhaps this post can help guiding them in that endeavor. I can’t help but recall seven years ago, when I tried my hand at a webinar.... It was called “BEST CLIENT EVER: Everything You Wanted to Know About Hiring Esccrts* (*But Were Afraid to Ask).” I did a live broadcast. An esccrt buddy of mine handled the technical aspects of the webinar. Multiple guys attended it from all over the world, interacting, and it included aspects like this. Simply put, the medium was a challenge for me (I think I’m better live, face-to-face, and enjoy teaching that way much more) - and so I didn't repeat it. Note - I’ve changed the details here that would identify him, instead, calling him “SheerHappiness”. ______________________________________ Sheer, I’ve seen that you’ve been back here on RentMen a couple times since I sent my last message to you. I’m going to make the assumption that you’ve read my reply, asking you to clarify whether the message you say you left was a voicemail or text. And I’m going to conclude that you have deliberately chosen not to reply. Take a look at this exchange between us, this month: Jan 12, 2019: Hi Dave - DO you have any openings on Jan 22nd when you are in DC? D, Jan 12, 2019: yes, I can see you then. I'm currently in the US (you may know that I'm based overseas) so now is a good time for us to talk. for first time clients, I always require a brief phone conversation before setting up an appointment. once that's happened, future communications are fine by messages. please call me when you have a moment... we'll chat for a few minutes, I'll get you on my calendar, and we'll be set. Jan 13, 2019: Before I call, would you be up for being on bottom? D, Jan 13, 2019: Yes. I already saw your profile Jan 14, 2019: Thanks. So how about 5-7pm on the 22nd? D, Jan 14, 2019: for first time clients, I always require a brief phone conversation before setting up an appointment. please call me when you have a moment, Sheer. Jan 14, 2019: OK. I will call you this evening D, Jan 14, 2019: OK Jan 17, 2019: I am assuming you have changed your mind. Have a good trip. D, Jan 17, 2019: ? changed my mind - about what? perhaps you've forgotten our last communications? I didn't get a call from you - assumed you were busy and would call me at a different point. what's going on? Jan 19, 2019: I left a message, but I did not hear back. D, Jan19, 2019: No message was received. Voicemail? Text? What number? Now, today is Jan 21. You originally wanted a Jan 22 appointment. And (note the response dates on my end) I have replied to EVERY message from you on the same day that it came in. I want you to remember that, as you read the rest of this email. Your somewhat strange behavior in hiring (I’ve been doing this long enough to judge from many different people how they conduct themselves when they have serious intentions to hire) has led me to question your intentions. So, I got a little curious. Especially because your profile name seemed familiar to me. I checked my emails and sure enough, you and I have been in contact for... not one or two years... but five years, on and off! Imagine my surprise when I found that many of the messages exchanged have been through the Forum. A number of years ago, when you first made a post about having trouble hiring men and not being successful with that, I made an offer for you to do a role-play hiring scenario with me, via telephone, for free – where first you would call and identify yourself as that particular member of the Forum, and then we would go into a role play of you calling, as if I had no information about you. You would be trying to set up an appointment. I would give you feedback or let you know if there were any red flags you were presenting at that time. Oddly enough, that back-and-forth message conversation ended with you saying you would take me up on it and be calling me “soon.” And then several days later when I didn’t hear from you, I sent you a message saying this doesn’t seem right to me because, “soon” is within a few hours or a day - or even two days - and it’s been longer than that. No reply from you led me to conclude that, that alone was a red flag. Over the ensuing years, you continued to contact me for appointments, but they were always in the form of “passive” requests. For example, emails asking about when I’d be in a particular area, which of course I ‘d reply to - but then hear nothing back. I delved deeper into you and your posts on the forum. And as I uncovered more information, I became... more dismayed. First I found an entry several years ago where I was the subject of the discussion and – although I had a lot of positive comments – I had one negative comment - and it was from YOU. You basically said you didn’t like your session with me “a few years ago” and stated that you would not recommend me. That was strange, because - although I’m proud to say I’ve made a lot of people happy - obviously there are some that I haven’t. Usually, an esccrt can tell that’s the case before the appointment is over. And although I pondered your comment for a while, I just couldn’t figure out who you were. So I searched some more on the Forum - thinking perhaps I would find a clue about you. What I found, actually made me feel better about your comment on me. Over and over, I found posts written by you about other esccrts not showing up, about how this one is a hassle to book, and that one canceled an hour before your session with him, because one of his regulars wanted to meet up (really?). Then another who you tried to contact with texts and emails but you couldn’t get a hold of him, and another who blew you off for a session... Your negative comments continued on, in a rant style reminiscent of Trump - and then at one point, you asked the Forum why your negative reviews on guys stay up for a day or two but then get deleted. My investigation wasn’t as in-depth as Robert Mueller's, but... I also found that you’ve made a number of queries to the Forum (I’m assuming the auspices of which were that you were looking to other men who hire for advice), telling stories of when you tried to hire but this well-reviewed esccrt didn’t show up, and what should you do? Or, that visiting esccrt called you to reschedule, and you wanted to know if you did anything wrong? And, how should you phrase the first written contact to an esccrt? And, do esccrts do overnights with new clients? In one of your posts a few years ago, you mentioned an esccrt with whom I am quite close. You wrote that he is your “go-to guy”. Since I was trying to figure out if I should continue to engage with you as your communication with me became more challenging, I contacted him. I wanted to see what he knew. He promptly responded to me, and although we went back and forth with both your profile name and the name Sheer, he said he has no client like that, and never did. My search about you on the Forum continued. I realized that there has been some controversy about a person who had a profile name very similar to yours... if, for example, the profile name you’re using with me currently is “SheerHappiness” (READERS, THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE - I SINCERELY HOPE THERE IS NO ONE WITH THAT NAME OUT THERE!), there was a person with a previous profile name similar to SheerHappiness... it was “SHappiness.” And several esccrts and clients were questioning the integrity of that person. FORUM READERS: This post continues under “Sorry to have disturbed you” - PART TWO

FORUM READERS: This is PART TWO of a two-part post. The first post can be found at “Sorry to have disturbed you” - PART ONE ______________________________________ Hmmmm... SHappiness... SHappiness... I thought I recognized that, so I searched in my own email log for SHappiness. Sure enough, I found this exchange - from two years ago! That’s right, in 2017, I had this email exchange: jan 15, 2017: Hello Dave, I see from your travel calendar that you will be in DC the first week of February. I would like to book a session with you on the 6th or 7th. Looking forward to hearing from you! D, jan 16, 2017: thanks for contacting me! I'd love to see you. how much time do you want to spend together? and what're the earliest and latest times you could start on both days/ also- are you looking to come to me, or have me come to you? thanks, Dave jan 16, 2017: I would like to do 2 hours with you. I can meet any time with you up until 7pm on either of those days, and I would like to come to you. D, jan 16, 2017: great. I'll call you - we can chat for a few minutes, and I'll get you on my calendar. what is your number? also, please let me know if there are certain times that I can call / shouldn't call. fyi: http://thelegendarydave.com/why/discretion jan 17, 2017: Never mind. Sorry to have disturbed you. D, jan 17, 2017: ?? What happened? Were you hoping to have an appointment without having a phone call first? jan 18, 2017: No. Just having second thoughts that you might not be what I am looking for. D, jan 18, 2017: ok - no problem. let me know if you change your mind. ______________________________________ My note to SheerHappiness continued: Four years later, you’re still making posts seeking advice on hiring esccrts. It seems that after all these years, you are still struggling how to do so. Now, I know that some people suffer from social situations, and others have learning disabilities that make tasks like this hard. Still others have memory challenges that result in the need to ask things several times. While I’m not putting you down if you should have anything like that, I am requesting now that you not contact me again, for an appointment. The problem with all of this is twofold. - One, it seems that you are not really booking appointments. And esccrts - no matter how gold their heart is - are working. Our work starts with appointments. - Two, your requests for information or advice seem as if that’s not really your goal - but rather, to mentally masturbate/engage esccrts to give you attention. Remember this - and I bet you’ve heard it before: We are paid for our time. Giving time to a person to help him or her get to a place of hiring, is good. Giving time to a person who implies that he or she wants an appointment when they really don’t, is bad. I have been nothing but encouraging about setting up an appointment with you, so I’m afraid that even though you’ve already written something negative about me publicly several years ago - which I feel is bogus, actually - you will not be able to do so again, in this most recent exchange. I am proud of the reputation I’ve earned, as a quality esccrt in the field - and that includes how I handle written inquiries and requests for appointments. Now, by posting this on the Forum, I’m choosing to take charge of how a person like you works this sort of thing. I suspect you have done similar negative behavior to my brothers, and after being difficult (the way you’ve been with me in our most recent message exchange, above) you then would post about how they have “wronged” you. I don’t know what your game is... I don’t know what gets you off about being so unkind to working guys who are just trying to do their jobs... but something just doesn’t smell right. Why would so many guys cancel appointments on you? Especially when what esccrts want is... appointments? If I don't hear from you - by 7AM tomorrow - I will join the group of men who will not see you - and will request that you not contact me again for an appointment. __________________________________________ his reply: I’m sorry. I will stop. D: That’s not an explanation- which I was clearly asking for. As such, I’ll be posting this on the Forum, to help other escorts and clients understand the darker side of setting up appointments. SH: It is all part of the foreplay for me. I like the passive aggressive stuff and playing the games. I always follow up with a paid session, but I use my real name so the connection is never made. D: Foreplay? Interesting that you have never seen me and yet your foreplay’s been going on for over four years. I’m glad that’s exciting for you, but you ought to learn how to respect an esccrt’s time. SH: How do you know you have not seen me? D: You are playing games with esccrts. I guess this is fun for you, but this work is real work. Holding back your phone number and taking up esccrt’s time is rude and disrespectful behavior. Please do not contact me again. Ironically, I now join the group of men who will not see you. I rarely say this to a person, but - I am no longer interested in setting up an appointment to be with you. I have removed both email addresses from my mailing list. I’m referring to the “SHappiness” email and the “SheerHappiness” email. You probably know from my past emails that I send out a message once or twice a year, which usually includes some educational info about sex, as well as my whereabouts, plus a bit about what’s been going on in my life over the previous year. I suspect that may be the reason why you’ve been contacting me so many times. I hope, with all sincerity, you find what you are looking for - but can do so in the future without being the “victim”, and simultaneously, without wasting the time of good working men throughout the world. Let esccrts focus on people who really want to spend time face to face. ______________________________________ In closing - SheerHappiness and SHappiness: As you wrote back in January of 2017, “Sorry to have disturbed you.” Yes, you have disturbed me. And now, I will accept your apology - even though I know you don’t mean it in the way it should have been said. Finally, a note to my esccrt brothers: I really hope this post helps you in identifying this person - if you, like me - conclude he is a time drain. And now, I’ve got to go. Have an appointment with a client in 30 minutes. Yep - a real, materializing, honest client.

rats, bats, turtles, victoria crowned pigeons, frogs, dogs, goats, quails, horses, emus, snails, ants, grubs, crickets, octopii, sea urchins, and a fairly large variety of other things from the ocean. and durian, yes of course (I live in Bali now). haven't had human yet. but have a few friends who have.

awwww- thanks!!!

gotta jump in on the Traveling Escorts section before it goes down - yikes! cause I'll be in the USA in January, on tour...

I feel powerful when I get a boner at work. but wait - that IS my work.

thanks - 24 hours later, and I've seen two different people here. both appointments were amazing. the highs and lows of escorting... someone should write a book

anything that includes this line - "until the amount of remnants on the paper decreases by fifty percent" is a reasonable topic for discussion. at least to me. hey, when your job is dealing with male assholes, it's all relevant. cleaning them, different views on what's appropriate, responding to some of them... have a great day, guys!

I think one of my clients has a kid. Shit, I even have a kid! Two, actually. Maybe that's why I know what Topinla means when he writes "I don’t want to bring it up but I know it will be at the back of my mind." It was for me, too. Topinla, many of us are concerned with overpopulation on the planet. I can assure you - you're not alone. If you want to speak with someone about it and don't want to do so while topping him, know that you can always contact me. We can discuss birth control, depletion of precious resources, the reduced mortality rate, vasectomies, or whatever else you want to talk about. And by the way... there's a good chance he's taking birth control with you, so don't worry about becoming a father while you fuck the hell out of that breeder.

OK, full disclosure: I'm on this forum right now because I just had a no show. And I'm traveling in Malaysia, so... well, I'm only here to work. 3pm appointment. I am flying in earlier than planned to make this work for this guy, a new guy I've not seen before. Airport to hotel is a bit of a rush, and up to room... check the aircon, set up the lighting, shower/shave/shit, brush teeth again, and pull the gear I think we'll need from my luggage. Suddenly, my son calls me to chat - from the USA - which we do for a bit, but I have to tell him, I gotta go, because I have an appointment soon. He understands (he knows what sort of work I do), but I think I hear a wistfulness in his voice as we say bye. Back to my 3:00... I have exactly eight minutes left to get ready. I spend a few thinking about what I know about this guy. A few more getting my laptop and speaker set and some chill music going. Another minute to see that the bathroom looks ok... and that there's water for him... and a minute more to calm down and sit. I'm excited, it will be fun. The time is 3:01. Phew, I made it. The time is 3:01. Hmmm, where is he? I asked him to call me when five minutes from the hotel. And now... i's 3:05. I ponder, when did I last hear from him? Two days ago? He was emailing after we spoke and - gee, I guess he first contacted me about five days ago... so I think he's serious and is gonna show. And now... it's 3:10. I call. His phone rings, he answers, and he hangs up. Not a good sign. A minute later a message comes in: "So sorry actually my boss this morning send me Ipoh to take his family to visit his auntie house who just pass away" Ipoh, I google-map it, is a 2.5 hour drive away. I am pissed. I don't even know if his explanation is real or not. And it doesn't matter. "this morning"??? Why the fuck didnt he write me, this morning? Or early this afternoon? Why did nothing come in to me at... 2pm?? Why did I have to contact him, to hear this excuse??????? Next message, a minute later: "I'm so sorry dear will get u back soon." REALLY?!?!? Meanwhile, I had another client who wanted this time slot... but several days ago I told him I'm already booked then, can we figure another date? Alas, that was his only availability (in the past, some people have suggested I call clients back when that happens, but actually... I'm not that sort of escort). So at the moment, I'm alone here in my hotel room. And I realize, I'm hungry. I never ate lunch. Didn't have time for it earlier.

arrrghh, I hate hearing about escorts who flake. it's almost as maddening as hearing about clients who flake. I cancelled ONE appointment in the decade-plus that I've been escorting. ONE! I'm very fukkin' proud of that because, I can only imagine what goes through a client's head when a provider cancels on him or her. I don't want to behave like that. and just to clarify - that one time... my dog developed "twisted stomach" that morning. by noon I had to put him down at the vet's office. my appointment was for 5pm that day, and although I could have made it, I... I just was not in any sexual/fun/social mood. I called my client and cancelled, explaining what happened. I knew he had 4 dogs, and I knew he'd understand - which he did.